Lawrence Kasdan:


The author of two of America's most popular screenplays - The Empire Strikes Back and Raiders of the Lost Ark - reveals the evolution of this summers most popular hero, Indiana Jones

Raiders of the Lost Ark is wonderful," says Lawrence Kasdan, who rewrote the film's screenplay from an original story by George (Star Wars) Lucas and Philip (Invasion of the Body Snatchers) Kaufman. "It's beautifully made, but, as always, from the screenwriter's point of view, the produced film is never everything that he wants it to be. A little bit of my script's logic and character development fell out along the way. Like Star Wars, however, Raiders moves so fast that I'm not sure if it matters. Raiders of the Lost Ark is simply very satisfying in that it shows you things that you want to see in a movie."

Kasdan endeared himself to SF fans when he co-authored the script for The Empire Strikes Back with Leigh Brackett. He first came to Lucasfilm's attention when Continental Divide, an earlier Kasdan screenplay, was submitted to several studios in late 1977.

"Steven Spielberg (Raiders' director)," Kasdan recalls, "was the producer at Universal originally connected with that company's interest in Continental Divide before they won the bidding for my script. When Steven first read it, he told my agent, 'I'm going to make an adventure movie with George Lucas (Raiders' co-executive producer) and I think that Larry would be a good person to write it. ' That film turned out to be Raiders of the Lost Ark. Steven asked my agent if he could show Continental Divide to George which, of course, was okay. Fortunately, George liked it quite a bit. George and Steven then invited me to a meeting with themselves and Frank Marshall, the picture's producer.' That conference - the first time that I had ever met George and Frank - was when we made the deal for me to write Raiders, which made me very happy.

"It took a while for everything to get going," Kasdan continues, "but Steven, George and I finally got together again in early 1978. We sat for a week and discussed everything concerning the movie. George and Steven talked a lot about doing something like the old Saturday morning serials, which I think was always a little more important to them than it was to me. It would have been hard to make one movie like a serial. Raiders is similar to the cliffhangers only in the sense that Indiana Jones encounters danger after danger, which does work like crazy. I say my responsibility as being to capture the spirit of the chapter plays. To me, however, that represented not so much the flavor of the serials, but the mood of all of the great adventure movies. Films, even more than the pulps and other adventure stories, have created a definition in the universal subconscious of what adventure, daring, and action are. The younger TV generation has never even seen this type of picture, mainly because it hasn't been done that well since Errol Flynn, Clark Gable, and Burt Lancaster were doing it back in the '30s, '40s, and '50s. Their movies are usually shown on the late show, which kids don't always get to see. The fact that Raiders of the Lost Ark is going to be the first time that many people are seeing this kind of grand adventure could be a reason for why it will probably be very successful. "

It took Kasdan six months after his meeting with Spielberg and Lucas to pen Indiana Jones' exploits.

"It took that long because writing Raiders was a big job," comments Kasdan. "Our outlining was immense, but not detailed. We knew who the three main characters would be, but there wasn't a word in anybody's mouth. There were no broad strokes and real structure to Raiders' plot. I had to come up with all of that. I also had to do a good bit of research. My first draft of Raiders had a lot of information about the Ark of the Covenant, most of which has survived into the final film. It's been simplified and might sound like a lot of hocus pocus, but the majority of the superstitions and history that the picture attributes to the Ark are beliefs that have been held by people for years. Additionally, I did a lot of reading about archeology, the attitudes and lifestyles of 1930's America, and that time's international alliances."

1936's political climate gave Raiders of the Lost Ark the ostensibly perfect nemeses: Nazis. Director Spielberg chose to depict the German soldiers as charicatures of the Axis. This is potentially dangerous, for there is the possibility that the more audiences see the Third Reich in entertainments (unlike pseudo-documentaries such as Patton), the less they subconsciously - if only through familiarity - will remember them as the monstrosity that they were.

"That theory may be true," Kasdan concedes, "but Raiders' Nazis aren't so much identifiable as Nazis, but as villains. The whole filtn embraces the fictional world of clear cut good guys and bad guys. you can't relate the story to any ideology. In fact, there might be some confusion as to what group our villains are." That ambiguity could be the core of the problem. While Raiders' Nazis certainly are villainous, they are evil only in the same comic book type sense as Star Wars' Empire. Does this mean that children will now be playing with little Nazi dolls?

"l wonder," muses Kasdan earnestly. "I don't think, though, that little kids will leave Raiders of the Lost Ark liking Nazis. Some kids do like pretending that they're Darth Vader, so it's an interesting thought as to whether or not they'll now be pretending that they're one of Raiders' Nazis. There have always been people who identify more with villains, so I guess that the Nazi question should be considered, but it doesn't seem to be a serious problem."

Albeit the Nazis participation in Raiders stems from history, the picture's protagonist, Indiana Jones, was based largely on the author's memories of "yesterday's heroes." "When I was developing Indy's character, I didn't specifically think about Flynn, Lancaster or Gable. I wanted to capture their essence. For example, one of my favorite actors is Steve McQueen. I loved the poetry in the way he moved - his stylized movement. I wanted Raiders to have that heightened reality. That's where I came together with George's love of serials and Steven's fascination with kinetic thrust. One of my great delights with Indiana Jones is the way in which Harrison Ford brought him to life. Harrison has great charisma without being cocky and shows that he's a real movie star. His performance is actually very close to what Gable used to do. Gable was an odd mixture because he wasn't an athlete or a muscular guy, but he always had an enormous masculinity that never left him. That could be most evident of Gable in Too Hot to Handle which I've seen four times. Gable had this attitude of 'Here's the adventure. Let's go!', which I think is also true of Ford in Raiders. In fact, the scene where the natives are chasing Indy during Raiders' beginning is very similar to a sequence in Too Hot to Handle. " At one point, George Lucas wanted to make Indiana Jones more of a James Bond- esque character.

"I had to write, under duress, a different version of the scene where Brody (Jones' col- lege supervisor) goes to his house," reveals Kasdan. "George wanted Indy to be a playboy, so Jones was going to answer the door wearing a tuxedo . Then, when Brody went into the house, he would see a beautiful, Harlow type blonde sipping champagne in Indy's living room. My feeling was that Indiana Jones' two sides (professor and adventurer) made him complicated enough without adding the playboy element. One of the factors that's so great about Harrison's performance is that he makes that combination believable. He didn't overdo it. There's real charm to Ford's performance as the professor, yet you can also believe what Indy does later on is part of the same person. Luckily, that 'playboy' scene was never shot. "

What helps make Ford's Indy so believable is that his adventures, for the most part, are logically unfolded.

"One of the things that I loved about Raiders," says Kasdan, "is that its action is extravagant in the classic style of the old adventure films. It almost never moves over into the area - which I don't care for - of unbelievable action that the recent James Bond films have dealt with. To me, that's beyond a reality that' s interesting. During our original conversations, George and Steven always stressed how fundamental it was to have all of Indy's perils and his solutions to those dangers be relatively plausible. There're wonderful heroics in Raiders, but they're never super-human. Again, that has a lot to do with Harrison Ford. He made Indy come across as a very likeable and competent guy. That brand of capable hero was a very important element of the great adventure pictures." Some of Raiders' most sensational moments occur in the film's opening ten minutes, when Indiana Jones narrowly escapes trap after trap after trap ... Unfortunately, Indy's escalating hazards prompt some moviegoers to incredulous laughter.

"Laughing at Raiders' thrills is a perfectly fine reaction," Kasdan states, "as long as the audience is laughing with the film. When I first saw Raiders, I had a big smile on my face. We were always a little worried that people might laugh at the picture, but I think that we avoided that happening by never condescending to the material. We also knew that we couldn't hold back on the adventure; we had to go all out. A lot of the stuff I put in the opening ten minutes was there to keep on topping the last peril, so smiling at that is a normal reaction. Raiders tickles you. There were a few adventures that we eliminated, however, because we felt that they would either be too expensive to produce or too far fetched. "

One sequence that had to be eliminated concerned the film's creators' original desire to have the headpiece of the Staff of Ra be divided in two pieces. One half was possessed by Marion Ravenwood (who, in the film, has the entire medallion), and the second part was kept in the Shanghai museum of General Hok, a Chinese warlord. After leaving America, Indy went directly to Shanghai.

"In 1936,"Kasdan elaborates, "Shanghai was a battleground between the Japanese and the Chinese. General Hok was such an outlaw, though, that he was aligned with the Japanese. I had Indy being taken to Hok's museum by two CIA agents. Indy then broke into the museum where he saw a complicated alarm system, part of which was a ten-foot diameter gong. Suddenly, two Samurai burst in on Indy. Indy shot the first warrior and then had an interesting confrontation with the second Samurai involving Jones's whip and the Japanese's sword. Indy wound up choking him with his whip. Indy took the fallen Samurai's sword and used it to break open the glass container holding the medallion-half. That, naturally, set off the gong alarm. Hok came running into the room, holding a submachine gun, which he then started firing at Indy. Indy managed to push the gong off its hook and then rolled it across the floor, running behind it, using it as a shield. The gong was so heavy that it cracked the marble Floor as it was rolling. There was also a tremendous amount of interesting noise as the blasting of Hok's gun merged with the almost musical sound of the bullets bouncing off the gong. That scene would have been great, but we cut it before shooting because it would have broken up the film's pace and it also probably would have been too costly to shoot.

"After that sequence, we had Indy in the DC-3 flying to Nepal to find Marion. Now, there's one spy on the plane looking at Jones. Originally, however, we had Indy falling asleep. Suddenly, all of the other passengers - a little old lady, a European, some Chinese got up and tip-toed and parachuted off the plane! All of the passengers were in on it. Indy was left by himself on the plane, heading towards a crash in the Himalayas. He finally woke up and then couldn't get into the cockpit. Indy pulled out an inflatable raft and wrapped it around his body. He didn't inflate it inside the plane, because it would have been too big for him to jump out the doors. Indy jumped out of the plane, pulled the inflator, and landed in the snowy Himalayan Mountains. He then rode the life raft down the slopes to Marion's bar. We took that scene out because we thought it would be too unbelievable."

Considering Lucasfilm's judicious editing of Kasdan's script before filming commenced, it's surprising that a couple of incredibly confusing scenes did make it into the movie. One such sequence is when Indiana Jones and a crew of Arabs are surreptitiously digging at the real site of the Well of Souls in direst view of the Nazis! To accept the picture's not having the Germans discover Indy and his men immediately, one has to either believe that the Nazis, thus far shown as a shrewd menace, have suddenly become absurdly stupid, or chalk it up to poetic license.

"I don't condone that kind of story element," Kasdan admits. "When that scene was written, there was no way that Indy's group was supposed to be so close to the Nazis. Indy was digging on a totally separate site several sand dunes away from the Nazis. They were discovered much later only when the Nazis spotted the smoke rising from the Arab's torches. When Steven asked me about what I thought of the film after I saw it, that was one of the few things that bothered me enough to mention it to him. Obviously, the logistics of their location dictated that shot set-up, but I told Steven that if he took out the daylight establishing shot showing how close the two groups are, the sequence wouldn't have been as bothersome. Then I asked Steven, 'Why are the Arabs singing?' That makes it even worse."

Another perplexing moment for audiences comes when the film shows Indy swimming towards the German's submarine and then abruptly cuts to the sub inside its pen with Indy in an adjoining hallway.

"Indy got to the pen by swimming to the sub and then climbing on top of it until he reached its periscope," Kasdan explains. "I know that part was filmed, because I saw it at one of the first previews. It's since been cut. What I'm not sure was ever shot was how had Indy lash himself to the periscope with his whip. I liked that a lot, because it made good use of the whip. Then there was some complicated underwater business about his getting off of the submarine before it reached the pen. Once he did that, Indy realized that he left his whip up on the periscope, where there was now a German standing under it. Then, he had a close call with the of fixer, but finally got his whip back . Not filming Indy's getting off the sub is the type of thing that I have a lot of sympathy for, because very often the geography of where you're shooting dictates what you can and cannot do as a director. At the same time, however, you do have a responsibility to solve the problems that you put your hero into. Steven just found that there was no way to tie the submarine sequence into the picture."

Another annoyance for filmgoers are some of Raiders' incongruous comedic moments, including Sallah's bursting into song after bidding farewell to Indy, and Marion Ravenwood's accidentally hitting Indy on the head with a full-sized mirror. These off-beat touches suggest that perhaps Spielberg couldn't get his last film, 1941, a slapstick World War 11 comedy, totally out of his mind. "Those broader comedy elements were created independently from me," says Kasdan. "They bothered me quite a bit, but it balances out, because some really good things in Raiders, such as lndy's confrontation with the Arab swordsman, the classroom scene, and the Nazi's coat hanger, were also innovated by Steven."

What bothers Kasdan the most about Raiders of the Lost A rk' s final form is its lack of character development. A prime example is Indiana Jones's first meeting with Marion Ravenwood at "The Raven" bar. Even Raiders's most ardent fans admit that that scene's lines are horribly stilted.

"It's really weak," Kasdan concurs. "Some of the best writing I've ever done was in that scene, but all that's left is its beginning and end. Those lines actually make sense, but only when the rest of the dialogue is played out. "

In addition to Kasdan's more subtle character exchanges, some of the missing footage from that scene explained how Marion came to own the "The Raven." After her father died, she went to work at the inn. "And I wasn't the bartender," she was supposed to have said. When the man who owned the bar went crazy, he was dragged away by the authorities. His last words bequeathed "The Raven" to Marion.

"Another scene that hurt," adds Kasdan, "was Marion's bit with Belloq in the tent. They had me write that scene four times and then they wrote an entirely new scene which they shot. The way it is now, some people get the scene's drift, and some don't. What you 're supposed to understand is that Marion is not faking being drunk and that she actually does have a certain admiration for Belloq. I had had that scene set up in the story beforehand by having Indy be suspicious of Marion's feelings towards Belloq. All that's left of that subplot now is his line after the tent scene when Indy says to her, 'Where did you get that dress?'

" I guess that all of this bothers me because I did have the character background in the script," Kasdan confides. "With Indy and Marion's first scene, Steven even shot the whole thing. We always knew that it was a little long, but it's been chopped down to almost nothing. My feeling was that we should have edited a little of the chase sequences so that we'd have time to properly establish the characters. George Lucas, though, doesn't put as much emphasis on personal development as he does on action.

His success has confirmed that attitude for him. That's kind of strange, because that wasn't true of American Graffiti (Lucas' second directorial outing), which is a wonderfully warm, subtle and personal movie." It's important for Starlog readers to know that when Kasdan talks about some of Spielberg's and Lucas's changes, his tone is even - and entirely - unhostile. One must remember that he truly loves Raiders of the Lost Ark.

"What's great about Raiders is that it moves so fast and its conclusion is so incredible, that by the time I got to the ending, I didn't care about the flaws," Kasdan admits. Those tiny little problems never touch Raiders's wonderful spirit. What emerges upon a first viewing of Raiders of the Lost Ark is enormous, captivating excitement.

That energy is directly attributable to Steven. He has a unique talent in that he knows what's thrilling to an audience in a way that very few other directors do. He also moves the camera like no one else can. I don't want to sound cliched, but there's a sense of wonder that we have as children that we never grow out of. Steven's very much in touch with that feeling. In that sense, there was no one in the world better suited to direct Raiders than Steven.

"As a screenwriter, I was thrilled that Steven changed as little from my script as he did. What happens when you write a screenplay is that you make the entire movie. The director then comes in and totally remakes it. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that process. That's the nature of the screenwriter's job. The only major difference between my script and the film is that my screenplay was much more of a story. I think that most of the plot's details are still there, but it will just take people a second and third viewing of Raiders before all of the elements fall into place. What's delightful for me is that Steven's realized the huge percentage of the movie that's stayed the same in a marvelous way."

Kasdan acknowledges that he's able to have his practical view of Raiders's revisions because he's already had his first experience with seeing a script, The Empire Strikes Back, produced and inherently being disappointed by changes that were instituted. ("You only lose it once, " he quips) Paradoxically, Kasdan wrote the screenplay for Raiders of the Lost Ark before working on Empire.

By James H. Burns
Starlog Magazine
September 1981